Author Topic: Disagreement of axisymmetric and 3d element with follower pressure  (Read 7406 times)

sanshi2000

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Dear all,

I am using axisymmetric and 3d element to calculate the inflation of a tube. When the inner pressure is dead, good agreement is obtained, but the results are different if I use follower load. Any one has ideas on that. Thanks very much.

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Lei 

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Re: Disagreement of axisymmetric and 3d element with follower pressure
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 06:53:33 PM »
There must be a bug in the axisymmetric form as it never really converges well.  Do you have a smaller problem taht can illustrate the same effect, otherwise we will make something. 

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Re: Disagreement of axisymmetric and 3d element with follower pressure
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 03:09:22 AM »
Thanks for your kind comment. Could you please reduce the value of sc at parameter part of input files to use coarse mesh for saving time? By the way, I have validated that the 3d element is working well since good agreement with theoretical results for inflation of tube is just obtained.   

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Lei

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Re: Disagreement of axisymmetric and 3d element with follower pressure
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 06:10:54 PM »
I believe your problem is not a bug but the fact that the material is nearly incompressible (nu = 0.49).  Can you run with the 'mixed' element -- we get the same radial displacement with this option and your input file.

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Re: Disagreement of axisymmetric and 3d element with follower pressure
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 04:20:53 AM »
Sorry. I run both problems with mixed element, but get different results as shown in Figure 1 attached. In addition, for nu=0.2, results by axisymmetric and 3d element are also different shown in Figure 2 but same with dead load in Figure 3. Could you please indicate your changing of input file to get good agreement? Thanks a lot.

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Lei

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Re: Disagreement of axisymmetric and 3d element with follower pressure
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2012, 07:22:47 AM »
My version had already caught the error for axisymmetry but needed correction for the plane case.  See attached patch for corrections.  This file should replace the one in /elements/frame

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Re: Disagreement of axisymmetric and 3d element with follower pressure
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 02:23:01 AM »
Thank you very very much. It works well now. 8)

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Dear Prof. Taylor, dear others,

although I replaced my older version of presld.f with the one you provided here, my results of the 2d simulation do still not agree with 3d. I applied the same pressure from the inside and the outside of a tube and in addition an axial displacement. For the axisymmetric analysis, the radial stress does not equal the applied pressure; in 3d the results are as expected. I attached the files for reference.

I am using FEAP version 8.2. Are there any other changes since 2012 relating to follower loads in combination with axisymmetry?
Once again I would appreciate your assistance.

Kind regards, aza

aza

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Now I have found my mistake.
I did not use the AXIS option for the pressure loading, but multiplied the pressure by the radius manually...